Something that ive been wondering about for a few years now but never really talked about until now. we all have heard and know about "lailathul Qadhr" right? the night thats said to be more blessed than a 1000months. the night that the Holy Quran was blessed upon the human race. the night where angels including Gabriel would descend down to the Earth. Its this very special night that comes during the last 10days of ramadan said to be one of the odd nights. so here's my question.
For example lets imagine that tonight is "lailathul Qadhr" as most ppl seem to say so (27th night). if its night time at any one point on the earth, it will be daytime in another, afternoon , evening and even dawn in some parts of the world. so how can that be? so is "lailathul Qadhr" a 24hour time period? but then why do we refer to it as a NIGHT? In response some ppl would surely say that it would be the 27th night in each of these places on the globe. but then again while the 1st of september is the first of ramadan for some countries, other countries are experiencing through falakee ilm that its the 2nd or maybe the last day of the previous month. so doesnt this mean that the 27th of ramadan wouldnt coincide even on the same day to most of the countries?
By all means im not trying to belittle it, but more trying to understand it. so can anyone shed some light onto this topic. because the problem with most ppl nowadays is that they dont question stuff about our religion like they should. i mean they should discuss it and try to reason with it. because if they have confidence in their beliefs, they shouldnt be afraid of it feeling like ur being a "munaafigu" if ur questioning or inquiring about anything in our religion. so please would someone care to shed some light on this topic?
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in addition to that, why should someone just say that it is the 27th of the ramadan?
coz it might be wrong
i mean, the night's there, i think that its mentioned in a surath
lailathul gadhr vileyrey dho kiyanee?
aneh majaa kamaky, tvm inn erey dhakkaany madhaha and stuff ingey
erey dhiyaeema back to the old mihandhaan ehandhaan midrama edrama series
i just can't imagine how anyone could say that its the 27th
its hidden for a reason ennu!
umm don't we say "lailathul gadr vileyrey"?? vileyrey means that the whole of next day would be lailathul gadr right?? [this is what i think..]
you are right. even i dont ask questions much. specially regarding lailathul gadr. what i believe is that we should be extra devoted during the last ten days. sorry i am not much of a help with this.
Hi Teddy,
I have been there, questioned that, found several arguments and then come to realize that it is irrelevant!
I think there is a great Hikmat is Allah not revealing the exact night! Don't you think?
Had the day or night had been known, one is likely to make less efoort on the other days or nights.
Let's take non related examples, shall we? How about new year! The time the new year starts for the world IS a 24 hor period, isn't it? Mid-night circulates the earth from east to west over a 24 hour period, doesn't it? There is some parallel to the question you raised, doesn't it?
The date issue, is no bigger if you consider the fact that the exact date (day of the month) is kept as a secret. Scholars have tried to narrow the day down to one of the odd nights, but that is not based on an indisputable evidence from either Quran or Hadith.
There is still the issue that the night was when Quran was revealed (as a whole). Meaning that it must be a single, repetitive date (the anniversary of the date). This is where the conflict apparently widens. If ramazan starts on different days of the gregorian calenday dates across the world then how can the night be the same hijri date across the globe? But is that a problem with the date or a problem with the islamic Ummah being as divided as we are? Had we been under a single administrative and religious leadership, would this issue exist. Is it realistic to believe that such a pluralistic followership is possible among muslims of today or days to come? Unlikely. But that could be an argument.
Wallahu a'lam.
@Mini: yea, i forgot to mention that bit. its like we are all so sure. and its not only in the maldives either.
@dhondhooni: yea, that is indeed how we say it. and thats ok. :)
@anon:there are some points that ive taken to thought as well. thanx. it somewhat makes sense i guess.not yet fully satisfied thou.heheh. but u knw, in the case of midnight and new years night we all say "midnight for our time zone is.... OR new year for us is...". its understandable and we've all accepted it that way. and we do say new year is when the clock strikes 12 in EACH time zone. ts not quite the same with lailathul qadr dho. so does that mean its the same?im sure the earth's revolution has to be taken into consideration as i believe our religion should and will fit into the world of science as well. maybe we just havent figured it out about this issue.
It will all make sense once you realize that back when all this was established in religion much of the world was uncharted. Hence, people didn't exactly think there would be timezones or that when it was 12 midnight somewhere it might be 12 midday somewhere else. In fact, people were still in the dark about whether earth was actually a globe.
So, when you take this into account you can see how this concept of "a" night has come about. Technically speaking, as you said, after tonight has passed for us, angel Gibreel must still service muslims of USA, there he will have to come down again or wait in transit.
This kind of thing is common in religions originating from the mideast during an age of ignorance. Take fasting itself. Fasting is to be conducted from sunrise to sunset. This is generally ok for people living in most parts of the world but for the Inuit people of subartic origin the daytime can last up and over 18 hours. Perhaps fasting isn't for everyone after all.
I don't see any reason why we intelligent beings should bother about this at all. How long will it take us to realise that there are so many illogical things about religion? Why do we continue to hold onto this when we know that there is just no logic to it? Why be stupid enough to try to apply any logic to it at all? Go on: 2 plus 2 will never be equal to 5 how much you guys try to reason it out. You are all wasting your time. Try to be rational for one.
@simon: i was wondering how long it would take someone to mention that.hehe. but obviously i cant agree with everything uve said.no surprise there.hehe.
its never said that gabriel would come down to a specific region. we shouldnt think of it as if its a man thats coming down to a town and then he'd probly be taking a private jet to the next country n so on for the whole 24hrs. its only said that gabriel and countless angels would descend on that night.
Fasting isnt for everyone. only for muslims and even among muslims there are exceptions as you would know. but like uve stated there are places where daytime can last for 18hrs which is no exception and to which i really dont see what the big deal is. In the time of previous prophets there have been people who had to start fasting sometime at night only a few hours from when they had to break the fast.
No need to look so far back, lets look at Maldives and now. Im sure that more than 1/3 of the ppl in Maldives eat 'haaru'(last meal) around 12 or so at night and then go to sleep. they break their fast at around 1830 or so. already more than 18hrs have passed since they last ate or drank anything. even small kids who arent even 12 do that. so i really dont see the big deal :s
@anon:a fast Q. so are u asking why such 'intelligent' beings as ourselves hold on to different religions? and i think we all know 2 plus 2 aint equal to five. but comparing that to why millions of 'intelligent' beings across the world believe in different religions? and u call that being rational? :s
Kaiza Shohey (or wahtever).What you said really makes sense.
You have raised some question and it seems there are people who are ready to jump and cause confusion.You have said well r 18 hour thing.
Well done.
It appears that I've raised a moot point. I wanted to point out that fasting from dawn to dusk is irrelevant in some places on earth as it is evident from the fact that in the arctic the sun does not set for several months. My intention was not to cause confusion and I apologize if it been taken otherwise.
The fact of the matter is that there is a lot of these inconsistencies in religious texts and we like to fabricate explanations to fill in this knowledge gap. As the author of this blog writes, "...as i believe our religion should and will fit into the world of science". One has to wonder why these enlightened books are so vague.
The concept of the "night" of al-qadr is but one of those. One has to wonder how it can possibly be night for everyone on earth at the exact moment when the first verses of Quran was revealed. It is impossible that it can be night for all. What are we to make of this technical error? Does it mean that Quran was revealed only to the Arabs living in mideast? That would be a big contradiction to the claim that it was revealed to all mankind.
@simon: hehe. i think anonymous meant that i had asked a question echcheh olhun filuvan and u were quick to jump in and point out stuff as if trying to lead me away from my faith. thats what i think anyway. hu knows. *shrug* but i appreciate ur views as well though its really different from mine.hehe
Yea, i did say that and i still stand by it. because i believe in islam and i dont follow it because im forced to or just because most people around me are in the same religion. and i dont know the answer to the issue uve raised, i think thats why i even wrote this post.
the night was referred to in terms of the time of the day in mekka/madina. it doesnt mean that it was revealed only to the arabs but that it was revealed at a time which was night there. and MAYBE lailathul qadhr refers to that time of each year. so it might be some other time to some other parts of the world. what im saying is that as there are unknowns to the scientific world, there are things which we do not fully understand even in our religion as ppl like to refer as "ekanthah thakuge hikumai". if it all DID make total sense n if we knew all the answers it wont be a religion fit for all time now wud it? thats what i feel anyway. but hu knows.
Meh, the Abrahamic religions are full of plotholes.
That, or god likes to troll. ]
God: I was jez kiddin', you guys!. Group hug?.
"if it all DID make total sense n if we knew all the answers it wont be a religion fit for all time now wud it?"
That's probably the stupidest thing I've read all week.
@Shadowrunner: LOL that was pretty funny!
@shadowrunner: heheh. good one. (A)
@simon: awwww, and i thought u wud know what i meant. but then again my fault for putting it that way in reply to someone who probably pity and belittle ppl who actually believe in religions.my apologies. like u said its been over 1400years since the quran has been revealed or as u wud like to put it, since ppl of that time made it/wrote it/whatever. if it was indeed the word of god like WE believe, it should be one that fits into all time and all technologies we face everyday. we should be able to understand more and more abt the quran as time passes by and as we make new discoveries or findings. anyways, we've already deviated from the subject at hand which is trying to see if 'I' could clear something up instead of having to argue with someone about a topic that im actually asking Qs about.
@paperclippenny: u still havent gone to that island? :(
I haven't been able to get a holiday
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